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美国惊现上海版建国35周年精制币???


美国惊现上海版建国35周年精制币???
不知这是否令人惊讶。美国特拉华的一个很小的钱币商,在今年5月份的时候售出了一套35周年精制币。这个币商显然没有多少现代中国钱币知识,出售的价格是100美元。这还不是最令人惊讶的,最令人惊讶的是,这应该是一套上海版的建国35周年精制币。获得这套钱币的主人,是美国一个狂热的钱币收藏者。偶然间获得了这套钱币后,他向非常精通中国现代钱币的收藏者poconopenn请教。
poconopenn是一个居住在美国的钱币收藏者,他对中国钱币具有很深的研究。poconopenn在鉴定中国钱币方面之权威,就如同Perter Anthony(著有Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide一书,并且是Panda Pricepedia每月价格表发布者,美国币商收藏者了解中国钱币价格的指导书)在熊猫币领域具有权威一样,这是美国众多中国钱币收藏者对他的评价。poconopenn显然对上海版建国35周年有所了解,但他仍然非常惊讶这套钱币会在美国出现。

这里附上poconopenn对于这套钱币的一些看法和疑问,欢迎国内的收藏者讨论及解答。
原文名称:
Sighting of 1984 Shanghai Proof 35th Anniversay of Founding of PRC Set in US
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http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6501.msg39626;topicseen#msg39626


我个人的疑问,美国出现的这套是否与上海07年出现的一批为同一批货源,美国币商如何得到,目前美国这套币的拥有者尚不愿公开身份。
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美国出现的一套上海版35周年精制图片。
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poconopenn的原文:

Topic: Sighting of 1984 Shanghai Proof 35th Anniversay of Founding of PRC Set in US?
on: October 07, 2012, 10:22:16 AM ?
    

Here is some background information about 1984 35th founding of PRC commemorative 3-coin set. The set was minted by Shanghai and Shenyang Mint in UNC and proof versions and they were first circulated commemorative coin ever produced by China Mint.

The Shanghai mint proof set was only discovered in April, 2007. It was surprised to all proof circulated coin collectors inside China. The information in Chinese websites suggested that this set was never issued and destroyed because of the error in the coin. Based on the information, the mintage of this set is about 50. They were shown to collectors in sheet for individual coin, no COA or fancy box for this proof set. Up to now, Shanghai Mint refuses to say anything about this set. The official answer is “this set was never issued”.

The major difference between Shenyang and Shanghai Mint set is the missing columns of the center hall in the reverse. However, the website information also suggests that one of the coin (dancers) in some of those sets has columns. There are other differences in individual coin. The details are provided in a table in page 3 of the following link and copy with English translation is given in the attached table, picture 1. In general, coin of Shanghai Mint has many missing designs vs. Shenyang Mint. The differences of four long decorative lines on reverse are obvious. All lines in Shenyang set are ended at rim, while coins of Shanghai Mint do not. The size of 5 stars is slightly difference, but it is not easy to see, unless the coins are placed side by side.

http://bbs4.xx007.cn/dispbbs.asp?boardid=10&replyid=3996317&id=2466816&page=163&skin=0&Star=1

The Shenyang Mint proof sets usually were packed either in fancy boxes or hard plastic holder with imprinted name of Peoples’ Bank of China as shown in the attached pictures. (2 & 3)

NGC has designated the name of these three coins as following; Speech (大典), Cranes (华表), Dancers (欢庆). The following NGC graded PF69 set is believed to be Shanghai Mint proof set, which was sold for $14,000 (RMB88,888) in November, 2011.

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3299322-001

The current value of Shanghai proof set is about $10,000, while Shenyang proof set is about $350.

The Shanghai Mint proof set discussed herein was discovered by an avid collector of MCC and member of this forum in Delaware. The set was packed in three connected double sealed pouches as shown in picture 4 and 5.

The high resolution pictures of reverse of Shenyang Mint proof coin, taken from two directions (90 degree difference), are provided in the next post as picture 1 & 2 to show the depth and thickness of the lines. In order to examine the differences between Shanghai and Shenyang Mint proof sets, the pictures of reverse of Shanghai Mint, UNC, taking in identical directions to the Shenyang Mint proof coin are also posted as picture 3 & 4. They demonstrate some similarity of UNC and proof coins made at Shanghai Mint; both have thinner and shallower lines than Shenyang Mint coin. The pictures attached in the next two posts (3 & 4) also suggest that a very small residue of columns of center hall of “speech” and “cranes” can be seen with a high power magnifier, in contrast to the observation made by the author of the Chinese web link mentioned above.

In Post 3, 4 and 5, the detail pictures of each coin will be posted to confirm the differences outlined in the table in picture 1 of Post 1. The very small residue columns and flags can still visible in “speech” and “cranes” coins with a high power magnifier. This suggests that Shanghai Mint proof set may use the same die in producing the UNC set. In order to produce a mirror surface, the die used in minting UNC coin has to be polished. During earlier year (pre-1995), the China Mint might use sand blasting to the die. Therefore, the narrow and shallow lines might be removed completely or partially during the treatment. “Dancers” coin appears to have less effect during the polishing treatment and has more design details than other two coins, in consistency to the observations made by the experts inside China.

Many thanks to the owner of this set for the opportunity to examine this very rare proof set and allow me to post the pictures in this forum.

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